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    • DeribusD Offline
      Deribus Global Moderator
      last edited by

      Nah, requires people to know what these ranks mean.

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        SainseRow
        last edited by

        What should the diamond be? The master? You’ll go out of options way before grandmaster.

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        • miki1900M Offline
          miki1900 @SainseRow
          last edited by miki1900

          @sainserow

          what diamond?
          what master?

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          • miki1900M Offline
            miki1900 @Deribus
            last edited by miki1900

            @deribus

            the people cant know what is army rank?
            they must learn more about world....

            forum isnt work? news menu in faf client?
            but the logic and the lexicon and dictionary is working...

            these title is better than a medalion...

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            • Brutus5000B Offline
              Brutus5000 FAF Server Admin
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              These ranks only make sense in one country (I assume usa here). Non-military people can't put them into order.

              So no, thank you.

              "Nerds have a really complicated relationship with change: Change is awesome when WE'RE the ones doing it. As soon as change is coming from outside of us it becomes untrustworthy and it threatens what we think of is the familiar."
              – Benno Rice

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              • miki1900M Offline
                miki1900 @Brutus5000
                last edited by miki1900

                @brutus5000

                usa, and great britain, but all country have this rank with their own language.

                its not military "knowledge", its basic knowledge.
                people in z-generation dont know that captain is bigger than corporal? my god....
                but we can replace example brigadier.

                if u havent sports knowlege u dont understand gold and silver, bronze too...

                Is it working in CS, nobody complaining about military rank.

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                • maudlin27M Offline
                  maudlin27 @miki1900
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                  @miki1900 It shouldn’t be what you personally think is best, but what the majority think. Given the Olympics and sporting events more generally, most people are familiar with Bronze < Silver < Gold, and even if they aren’t they would have a decent idea based on market values or other video games (which typically have gold being harder to get/more valuable than silver), far more so than the specific hierarchy of particular US military ranks.

                  As another example, personally I’d prefer 1 to be weaker than 4 but if a majority thinks that 1 is stronger than 4 then by similar logic it makes sense to have rankings based on the current way around.

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                  • TheWeakieT Offline
                    TheWeakie Balance Team @miki1900
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                    @miki1900 amen brother

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                      SainseRow @miki1900
                      last edited by SainseRow

                      @miki1900 said in Faf Ranking rename:

                      if u havent sports knowlege u dont understand gold and silver, bronze too...

                      Everyone knew bronze < silver < gold since 3000 b.c. before sports even existed

                      what diamond?
                      what master?

                      Goes after gold.

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                        SainseRow @miki1900
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                        • Brutus5000B Offline
                          Brutus5000 FAF Server Admin @miki1900
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                          @miki1900 said in Faf Ranking rename:

                          @brutus5000
                          its not military "knowledge", its basic knowledge.
                          people in z-generation dont know that captain is bigger than corporal? my god....
                          but we can replace example brigadier.

                          I was born in the 80s and here in central europe this is not common knowledge.

                          "Nerds have a really complicated relationship with change: Change is awesome when WE'RE the ones doing it. As soon as change is coming from outside of us it becomes untrustworthy and it threatens what we think of is the familiar."
                          – Benno Rice

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                            Fichom
                            last edited by Fichom

                            Have to agree with the most common argument here - military rank is not common knowledge at all. Not even for the populace of the countries that use them.
                            At best, you can argue people kinda understand the concept of captain (someone who has a larger number of men under his arm), admiral (controls big naval army) and general (controls big land army). And that's also mostly skewed from popular media (because that's how most get their knowledge).

                            So yeah, neither common (in its naming scheme), nor common knowledge.

                            The "material" badges are common place in a lot of games to represent competitive rank. I'm sure 95% of the children populace would sooner understand if you told them you were "diamond" rank rather than "corporal" or whatever.

                            Also, as already mentioned, there's not only 3 tiers (bronze, silver, gold) to the FAF's ranking system, there's 6 (bronze, silver, gold, diamond, master, grandmaster).

                            Most games have ties to the Elo system, which, although not used by FAF, is the most prominent and actually well known system to rank competitive mastery. And it has its roots in chess, from which the "master" and "grandmaster" titles are derived from.

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                            • miki1900M Offline
                              miki1900 @Brutus5000
                              last edited by miki1900

                              @brutus5000

                              u dont know, that captain is bigger than corporal?

                              im from central europe too, and its a basic knowledge....

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                                snoog
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                                Still ignoring the fact there's more than just bronze/silver/gold. If you like the idea so much, expand what on Diamond, Master, and Grandmaster rankings should be called.

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                                • miki1900M Offline
                                  miki1900 @snoog
                                  last edited by

                                  @snoog

                                  do u need more army rank?
                                  i write more, and u will be happy then?

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                                  • miki1900M Offline
                                    miki1900 @maudlin27
                                    last edited by

                                    @maudlin27

                                    yeah, but diamond there isnt sports.

                                    in CS majority like the military rank, everybody know that.

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                                    • miki1900M Offline
                                      miki1900 @SainseRow
                                      last edited by

                                      @sainserow

                                      and where is diamond in sports?

                                      everybody knows that gold is bigger than silver,
                                      and everybody knows that captain is bigger than corporal

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                                        Nuggets
                                        last edited by

                                        Even the topic aside if your system is better than the current one (which i think is dumb). You still have not made any suggestions for diamond, master and grandmaster

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                                        • miki1900M Offline
                                          miki1900 @Nuggets
                                          last edited by

                                          @nuggets

                                          There are a lot of military ranks. Do u want more? Why if the majority dont know, that major is bigger than captain?

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                                          • TheWeakieT Offline
                                            TheWeakie Balance Team
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                                            I never knew that military ranks were based on a persons height

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