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    • T Offline
      Tagada Balance Team
      last edited by

      Nice work Deribus, we will definitely use parts of this implementation.
      You can expect the Mercy rework to be released with the April patch

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      • speed2S Offline
        speed2
        last edited by

        DoT for mercies? Looks like EQ to me.

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        • ZeldafanboyZ Offline
          Zeldafanboy
          last edited by

          Completely changed the unit's role instead of even attempting to balance it as it is. You might actually make the game balance worse instead of improving it. The problem with Mercies is that the long explosion range lets it get past AA it shouldn't get past. The missile should have to essentially impact the target imo.

          put the xbox units in the game pls u_u

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          • veteranasheV Offline
            veteranashe
            last edited by

            I don't like the health of it, I think you will fine it will be quite durable when striking.

            Should make tmd able to target it

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            • SpikeyNoobS Offline
              SpikeyNoob Global Moderator @Zeldafanboy
              last edited by SpikeyNoob

              @zeldafanboy I respectfully think that you are wrong.

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              • ComradeStrykerC Offline
                ComradeStryker @Deribus
                last edited by ComradeStryker

                @deribus said in Ideas for Mercy changes:

                The first does a mere 500 damage over 10 seconds, but on a massive radius of 15. Could be useful for taking out chunks of T1 armies, softening T2, or maybe some T1 power or engineer killing in the base.
                The second does 3000 damage over 10 seconds, but on a radius of 3.5. This does slightly more than the current Mercy's 2,500, but isn't as useful on mobile targets. Can be used on upgrading ACUs or sniping high value structures, kinda like a TML but with a little more control. 3k damage is comfortably enough to snipe UEF T2 mexes and pgens.


                Looking forward to this. Though, I'm concerned, as, if this rework is done incorrectly - I'll leave Aeon without a T2 Snipe option.
                And that's what the Mercy is - A unit to snipe high-value targets.

                If I may share my opinion, the smaller radius would be a good fit.
                However, the 3K damage may be a bit much. Mercy already deals 2.5K damage which is already more than what other units deal.
                Perhaps this should stay as is?


                @deribus said in Ideas for Mercy changes:

                3k damage is comfortably enough to snipe UEF T2 mexes and pgens.

                A UEF T2 Pgen and T2 Mex both share 2.5K HP, which is enough to be destroyed by a Mercy, already.
                Why the extra 500 damage? If the damage gets too high, then this unit's mass cost should be increased as well, no?


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                • FtXCommandoF Offline
                  FtXCommando
                  last edited by

                  "aeon without a t2 snipe option"

                  uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh my guy have u never seen a specter in this game?

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                  • RoweyR Offline
                    Rowey
                    last edited by

                    My Poor Mercie 😞

                    "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few" - Spock

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                    • ZeldafanboyZ Offline
                      Zeldafanboy @FtXCommando
                      last edited by

                      @ftxcommando

                      He’s half wrong. It’s not that Aeon now lacks a good T2 air snipe. It’s that now Aeon has a huge aoe area denial/army clearing tool during its already strong T2 phase

                      put the xbox units in the game pls u_u

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                      • C Offline
                        cunnismeta
                        last edited by

                        mercies in their current form are fine. zero need to fundamentally rework it.

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                        • Chenbro101C Offline
                          Chenbro101
                          last edited by

                          Problem I have with them is you cant dodge them. They get into range, they kill.

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                          • C Offline
                            cunnismeta @Chenbro101
                            last edited by cunnismeta

                            @chenbro101 and this is the beauty of the mercy, what makes them satisfying to use.
                            They drop like flies if they encounter even the slightest resistance. Good luck getting a snipe with even a dozen of them.

                            it really makes the times 2 commanders are killed with 3 mercies shine.

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                            • MachM Offline
                              Mach @cunnismeta
                              last edited by

                              @cunnismeta said in Ideas for Mercy changes:

                              They drop like flies if they encounter even the slightest resistance.

                              I recently got killed by mercies while having maa around so I can tell you they don't drop like flies with slightest resistance

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                              • FtXCommandoF Offline
                                FtXCommando
                                last edited by

                                If game was hitscan mercies would be fine. Annoying but fine. Game isn't hitscan.

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                                  cunnismeta @Mach
                                  last edited by

                                  @mach which mobile AA did you have? just one maa to how many mercies?

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                                  • MachM Offline
                                    Mach
                                    last edited by Mach

                                    uef, I watched replay again and the reason was that one of mercies that got shot down first blocked shots from maa trying to hit the mercies behind it with its falling wreck (why don't falling wrecks take damage?)

                                    another reason is that maa often can't turn around and start shooting fast enough to hit the mercies as they come in before they turn into an untargetable swarm, also even with target priorities it is abusable to make it turn to wrong direction before mercies arrive and having no time to turn back before they are already untargetable

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                                    • T Offline
                                      Tomma
                                      last edited by

                                      Apparently flaks arent providing even slightest resistance because you can just mercie it.

                                      Skill issue

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                                      • phongP Offline
                                        phong
                                        last edited by

                                        Flaks can also be actively distracted by sending some other air units ahead of the mercies

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                                        • MazorNoobM Offline
                                          MazorNoob
                                          last edited by

                                          Make mercies as inaccurate/dodgeable/AoE as other T2 fighter bombers and bump their HP up a bit. Make them essentially equivalent to 1 or 2 regular fighter/bomber passes, but cheaper. It'd make them less cancerous for snipes, therefore they would no longer need to have nil HP which prevents then being used for anything other than anti-exp or snipes.

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                                          • C Offline
                                            cunnismeta
                                            last edited by

                                            mercies can alredy miss.

                                            sure they're not as easy to dodge as corsairs but they can be dodged.

                                            a cloud of 100 t1 air scouts is always going to distract AA sufficiently to get any snipe you desire.

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