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    • TheWeakieT Offline
      TheWeakie Balance Team
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      I'm not salty if you think that. In fact i think it's quite funny when people act like a unit is completely useless when i see it do well in a lot of games.

      Idk why you're using the mercy line against me since i hate them enough to have banned them from all my hosts.

      Also this is not a case of an enemy being retarded at all. It's simply the nature of a game being chaotic or having a lack of intel. That's like calling any guy being sniped being retarded cause duh why didn't u see it coming and made some aa?

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      • AzraaaA Offline
        Azraaa @Tagada
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        @tagada

        simply put do you want nukes to be tactical or strategic? If you limit range on them they IMMEDIATELY turn into tactical weapons employed mostly against mobile fielded armies and stuff imo, which tbh. I would prefer but it'd be a huge change and gameplay. It'd also have to be balanced significantly different.

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        • MazorNoobM Offline
          MazorNoob @TheWeakie
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          @thewheelie said in Balance Patch 3750 - Feedback:

          Idk why you're using the mercy line against me since i hate them enough to have banned them from all my hosts.

          One was important enough to be canonized into balance, the other wasn't

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          • FtXCommandoF Offline
            FtXCommando
            last edited by

            or maybe one rework is harder than another

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            • MazorNoobM Offline
              MazorNoob
              last edited by

              Give it 800 HP and an equivalent of one-and-a-half T2 bomber volley, band-aid fix done. Already better than Loya special ability that's still being tweaked to not be useless.

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              • FtXCommandoF Offline
                FtXCommando
                last edited by

                800 hp mercy that does like 1800 damage is a band aid fix?

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                • MazorNoobM Offline
                  MazorNoob
                  last edited by

                  When it's dodgeable like Notha, inaccurate like Corsair or spreads damage over a football field like Janus, yes

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                  • FtXCommandoF Offline
                    FtXCommando
                    last edited by FtXCommando

                    1. It doing lump sum damage ie corsair or notha is pointless, specter exists

                    2. Making it do aoe ie janus requires animation and projectile work

                    3. Beyond that, it still needs to not be janky or look stupid while also giving the information on what it’s doing clearly

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                    • MachM Offline
                      Mach
                      last edited by

                      would it be possible to use a toggle ability on it to switch between doing high single target damage vs lower aoe damage?

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                      • FtXCommandoF Offline
                        FtXCommando
                        last edited by

                        You know the whole point of the aoe rework is to solve the issue of it being a high damage single target unit

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                        • MazorNoobM Offline
                          MazorNoob @FtXCommando
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                          @ftxcommando said in Balance Patch 3750 - Feedback:

                          1. It doing lump sum damage ie corsair or notha is pointless, specter exists

                          That's like saying that Corsairs and Nothas are pointless because gunships exist, or that strats are useless because T3 gunships exist. Dealing big lump sum damage even when there's some AA around is useful. I don't think Specter has 1200 alpha like fighter bombers have anyway.

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                          • FtXCommandoF Offline
                            FtXCommando
                            last edited by

                            Do you know what kinda damage renegade does? Do you notice how stinger and janus have different damage output methods? Seraphim gunship is an exception because it’s supposed to be t2.5.

                            Strats are aoe and t3 gunships aren’t?

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                            • ZeldafanboyZ Offline
                              Zeldafanboy
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                              Do people still not understand that turning the Mercy into an AOE utility unit is just a straight buff to Aeon T2

                              put the xbox units in the game pls u_u

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                              • MachM Offline
                                Mach @FtXCommando
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                                @ftxcommando said in Balance Patch 3750 - Feedback:

                                You know the whole point of the aoe rework is to solve the issue of it being a high damage single target unit

                                well I never use them or see them used so idk what is the problem with that

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                                • FtXCommandoF Offline
                                  FtXCommando
                                  last edited by

                                  For one, it’s completely insane to give a unit that level of flexibility when Aeon has the best gunship already. For two, the unit’s current design does not work with the simulated projectile type of gameplay that FA works towards. Trick AA to turn away, now you die even with your ACU in the middle of 3 aa turrets.

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                                  • MazorNoobM Offline
                                    MazorNoob
                                    last edited by

                                    Aeon gunship was buffed/redesigned to compensate for mercy being what it is, why not revert it to what it was along with mercy changes?

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                                    • B Offline
                                      Blodir
                                      last edited by

                                      Legit just remove mercy from the game for the time being.

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                                      • FtXCommandoF Offline
                                        FtXCommando @MazorNoob
                                        last edited by

                                        @mazornoob said in Balance Patch 3750 - Feedback:

                                        Aeon gunship was buffed/redesigned to compensate for mercy being what it is, why not revert it to what it was along with mercy changes?

                                        I mean if by compensate you mean literally pretend it doesn’t exist then yeah it was

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                                        • ThomasHiattT Offline
                                          ThomasHiatt
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                                          Give mercies a sacrifice ability or healing

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                                          • BlackYpsB Offline
                                            BlackYps @FtXCommando
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                                            @ftxcommando said in Balance Patch 3750 - Feedback:

                                            Making it do aoe ie janus requires animation and projectile work

                                            Deribus already made a mod for this https://forum.faforever.com/topic/1834/ideas-for-mercy-changes/13

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