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    • MazorNoobM Offline
      MazorNoob @TheWeakie
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      @thewheelie said in Balance Patch 3750 - Feedback:

      Idk why you're using the mercy line against me since i hate them enough to have banned them from all my hosts.

      One was important enough to be canonized into balance, the other wasn't

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      • FtXCommandoF Offline
        FtXCommando
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        or maybe one rework is harder than another

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        • MazorNoobM Offline
          MazorNoob
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          Give it 800 HP and an equivalent of one-and-a-half T2 bomber volley, band-aid fix done. Already better than Loya special ability that's still being tweaked to not be useless.

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          • FtXCommandoF Offline
            FtXCommando
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            800 hp mercy that does like 1800 damage is a band aid fix?

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            • MazorNoobM Offline
              MazorNoob
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              When it's dodgeable like Notha, inaccurate like Corsair or spreads damage over a football field like Janus, yes

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              • FtXCommandoF Offline
                FtXCommando
                last edited by FtXCommando

                1. It doing lump sum damage ie corsair or notha is pointless, specter exists

                2. Making it do aoe ie janus requires animation and projectile work

                3. Beyond that, it still needs to not be janky or look stupid while also giving the information on what it’s doing clearly

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                • MachM Offline
                  Mach
                  last edited by

                  would it be possible to use a toggle ability on it to switch between doing high single target damage vs lower aoe damage?

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                  • FtXCommandoF Offline
                    FtXCommando
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                    You know the whole point of the aoe rework is to solve the issue of it being a high damage single target unit

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                    • MazorNoobM Offline
                      MazorNoob @FtXCommando
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                      @ftxcommando said in Balance Patch 3750 - Feedback:

                      1. It doing lump sum damage ie corsair or notha is pointless, specter exists

                      That's like saying that Corsairs and Nothas are pointless because gunships exist, or that strats are useless because T3 gunships exist. Dealing big lump sum damage even when there's some AA around is useful. I don't think Specter has 1200 alpha like fighter bombers have anyway.

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                      • FtXCommandoF Offline
                        FtXCommando
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                        Do you know what kinda damage renegade does? Do you notice how stinger and janus have different damage output methods? Seraphim gunship is an exception because it’s supposed to be t2.5.

                        Strats are aoe and t3 gunships aren’t?

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                        • ZeldafanboyZ Offline
                          Zeldafanboy
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                          Do people still not understand that turning the Mercy into an AOE utility unit is just a straight buff to Aeon T2

                          put the xbox units in the game pls u_u

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                          • MachM Offline
                            Mach @FtXCommando
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                            @ftxcommando said in Balance Patch 3750 - Feedback:

                            You know the whole point of the aoe rework is to solve the issue of it being a high damage single target unit

                            well I never use them or see them used so idk what is the problem with that

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                            • FtXCommandoF Offline
                              FtXCommando
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                              For one, it’s completely insane to give a unit that level of flexibility when Aeon has the best gunship already. For two, the unit’s current design does not work with the simulated projectile type of gameplay that FA works towards. Trick AA to turn away, now you die even with your ACU in the middle of 3 aa turrets.

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                              • MazorNoobM Offline
                                MazorNoob
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                                Aeon gunship was buffed/redesigned to compensate for mercy being what it is, why not revert it to what it was along with mercy changes?

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                                • B Offline
                                  Blodir
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                                  Legit just remove mercy from the game for the time being.

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                                  • FtXCommandoF Offline
                                    FtXCommando @MazorNoob
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                                    @mazornoob said in Balance Patch 3750 - Feedback:

                                    Aeon gunship was buffed/redesigned to compensate for mercy being what it is, why not revert it to what it was along with mercy changes?

                                    I mean if by compensate you mean literally pretend it doesn’t exist then yeah it was

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                                    • ThomasHiattT Offline
                                      ThomasHiatt
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                                      Give mercies a sacrifice ability or healing

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                                      • BlackYpsB Offline
                                        BlackYps @FtXCommando
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                                        @ftxcommando said in Balance Patch 3750 - Feedback:

                                        Making it do aoe ie janus requires animation and projectile work

                                        Deribus already made a mod for this https://forum.faforever.com/topic/1834/ideas-for-mercy-changes/13

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                                        • FtXCommandoF Offline
                                          FtXCommando @BlackYps
                                          last edited by FtXCommando

                                          @blackyps said in Balance Patch 3750 - Feedback:

                                          @ftxcommando said in Balance Patch 3750 - Feedback:

                                          Making it do aoe ie janus requires animation and projectile work

                                          Deribus already made a mod for this https://forum.faforever.com/topic/1834/ideas-for-mercy-changes/13

                                          I’m not saying it doesn’t exist rn, I’m just explaining why it isn’t something immediately changed even if balance team has generally considered the unit problematic.

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                                          • MachM Offline
                                            Mach @FtXCommando
                                            last edited by Mach

                                            @ftxcommando said in Balance Patch 3750 - Feedback:

                                            Trick AA to turn away, now you die even with your ACU in the middle of 3 aa turrets.

                                            can't this be fixed by making mercies top priority target for aa and making them targettable for longer, or perhaps not becoming untargettable at all (swarm of energy things) and just do damage by charging into target like a normal missile would?

                                            @thomashiatt said in Balance Patch 3750 - Feedback:

                                            Give mercies a sacrifice ability or healing

                                            guided healing missile sounds interesting for aeon, almost as annoying if something that was getting sniped gets healed though

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