@miki1900 said in Faf Ranking rename:

if u havent sports knowlege u dont understand gold and silver, bronze too...

Everyone knew bronze < silver < gold since 3000 b.c. before sports even existed

what diamond?
what master?

Goes after gold.

The tournament is over. Congratulations to:

1. Nuggets and Rhaelya taking 1st place
2. Swato and Ikigami going at 2nd place
3. Vindex and Archsimkat with 3rd place secured

Thanks for everyone who participated or watched the event. Thanks for registrants who warned beforehand about being a little bit later or not being able to participate. It has made simultaneous management of table match ups much easier.

I was pretty happy about the format and the mod. The mod wasn't intended to be super strong in every map provided. Yet we've saw some pretty good combat SACUs even on some less expected maps. And that's without breaking game balance. The Swiss with rolling rounds allowed for swifter match ups, which was already noticeable at 11 teams and would be even more noticeable if we had 16-20 teams like in DAT2. I'll look forward to perfect it in the future. Maybe I'll make a separate math/stats/discussion post about tourney formats later on.

What should the diamond be? The master? You’ll go out of options way before grandmaster.

After some additional thinking I've decided to replace challonge table with manual table for the stage 1 due to Challonge Swiss's functionality limitations. Challonge table will still be provided for Stage 2.

While I understand the unfamiliarity with this approach, the only thing I've done is to provide faster match ups and better experience for participants. The manual table will be posted and refreshed in Discord just as quickly as I would have done it in Challonge.

Extended Swiss system description

**6 rounds. To progress into second stage you need to have at least 4 scores out of 6. **

Initial seed is based on combined rating. Match ups during the tournament decided by current score.

Same teams match ups won't repeat more than twice. Second exact match up won't occur before round 4. Team's forfeit makes all played and not played games of this team annulated (lost).

How to download HQ SACU sim mod?

Method 1. Search and download it in the vault.
Method 2. Start replay https://replay.faforever.com/23560311 . The mod will automatically download.
Method 3. Join my lobby named "DAT3 HQ SACU download" (not guaranteed to be available during tournament).

Registration is closed.

Thanks for everyone who wanted about their absence in advance. If there are any more participants who cannot join the tournament - please tell it before tournament starts.

Challonge table and additional updates will be published a couple of hours before the beginning. Start, as you, will be at 13.00 UTC.

Tournament is postponed by one week

I need to inform you that the tournament has been moved from October 19th to October 26th. Some already registered players are unable to participate on October 19th, and approximately eight 2k+ rated players have indicated they could join next Saturday, with at least four confirmed. After surveying those currently registered, the majority are fine with the postponement. While our current registrations barely meet the minimum threshold, I don't want to miss the opportunity to potentially increase our team count by 50%, so I've decided to move the tournament to the following week.

Further date changes are unlikely.

As a small compensation for early registrants, I'm modifying the bye rules. Teams that registered before October 18th will have priority in receiving a bye (free win). For example, with an uneven number of teams, someone automatically advances to the second round. In such cases, teams that registered before October 18th will have priority, starting with the lowest-rated team in the tournament group.

The "start with SCU" mod replaced with "HQ SACU" mod made by me. The mod is publicly available in client vault just as any other mod

My original intention was to create more options for SACU usage, especially combat ones. Starting with SCU would shift opening too much while not affecting later game. In order to fix that I replaced the original mod with HQ SACU. You can produce more-than-one SACU in T3 HQ and upgrade them however you want. This should serve the purpose without bringing tricky balance issues.

@theweakie farms and ftx when?

Since there is too few applications so far I've decided to raise the rating cap per team to 4200. The ratings are re-evaluted as of 14th October to be more relevant. While I were a bit hesitant to do that after having sign ups, we only have one team registered so far, and newer reference date estimates them to be 4180, which is almost 4200, so I don't think they're missing out anything.

@horse12 this particular tourney does having rating floor of 3500, you don't fit

Rules on UI mods:
We will list what sort of UI mods are not allowed here. This includes:
All autoclickers
https://faforever.com/rules

A few rules updates I did wanted to add a while ago:

1. Rating cap is 2400 per player. Every player above 2400 is counted as having plain 2400. Rating cap per team stays the same. This should allow high-rated players to form a team with a players they are familiar with. It's partially mitigates a problem of 2800 rated players not knowing any 1200 players, let alone those who willing to participate in a tournament.
2. Stated rules regarding early withdrawal in stage 1. If early withdrawal - all wins are turned into losses, including played ones. This should be pretty obvious and just someting I forgot about.

@pavor while the add of rating cap helps you to fit in, reducing your effective rating from 2434 to 2400, overrated-player is still too much overrated. He's 1708 as of 1st October and even more overrated now. 2437~=2400+1708 is 4108. There is no rounding. Please find another partner.

I dunno about mode, it’s probably not gonna get added, but

Please advise

Just click donate mass on score board if you’re really can’t avoid overflow. It’s literally one click

most of imgur images are unreadable

Added registered teams & vacant players section in the main post

@swatoslav your combined rating is 4200, which is well above rating cap. I cannot register you

@boony said in Brick torpedo damage:

Please, think a moment before changing values by a factor of 3.75 compared to the original game!

Please think a moment about killing anything with a 10 dps torps of t3 unit that costs 1280 mass. The list would not exceed a few t1 engineers

@insidiousnoob said in MapGen 3v3 SHOWDOWN:

continuing on Sunday or even the following weekend

Please not the following weekend, there hopefully will be DAT3 at that time

Team Cap: Max team rating of 5900 with a rating cap of 2300 per player for balance

What does "2300 per player" part mean? Players above 2300 (like 2450) counted as just 2300?

@insidiousnoob said in MapGen 3v3 SHOWDOWN:

Date: 12.10 at 15:00 UTC
Format: Double Elimination: BO3 in the winner’s bracket, BO1 in the loser’s bracket.

Let's assume there are at least 8 teams participating. It will take 4 rounds to get a clear winner. With a BO3 it means no less than 12 consecutive games and no more than 20 consecutive games. 3v3 games tend to be longer than 1v1 or 2v2, especially given 15x15 km maps.

In double elimination loser bracket is already often waits for a loser from winner section. With the BO3/BO1 assymetry it will make waiting even more prolonged, thus further slowing down the tournament.

The tournament will take at least 6 hours if one team just murders everyone and closer to a 10 hours mark if it becomes competitive. The latter being more realistic. I don't think the chosen format is optimal for this type of tournament. No one can play, cover or even watch for 10 hours straight without getting physically exhausted.

Double Allied Tournament 3 is a 2v2 tournament scheduled for 26th October. This is the third time we're making this tourney. Again new map pool, >100$ prize pool and even more special!

Prizes (105$ by Neytron):

• 60$ for the 1st place & custom avatar
  
• 30$ for the 2nd place & custom avatar
  
• 15$ for the 3rd place & custom avatar
  

Tournament date:
13.00 UTC, Saturday, 26th October
in-client channel #dat3

Tournament Format:

• Games are played between teams of 2
• Combined rating cap for each team is 4200. Rating calculated based on best section as of 13th October. If player has less than 20 rated games last year, the section that has >20 rated games is taken instead.
• Combined rating floor for each team is 3500. Your team should have no less than this amount of combined rating
• Rating cap per player is 2400. Player's rating above 2400 counted just as 2400 even if it's 2600
• First stage. Swiss system. 6 tours. No elimination. You can start from 2 losses in a row, then get 3 wins and have a good chances of getting into a second stage.
• Final stage. Single elimination Bo1 or Bo3
• 1/4 teams progresses into the second stage
• If number of finalists greater than 4, final stage is played with Bo1, if 4 or less - Bo3
• In-client channel is #dat3

Registration:

• Sign up here in pairs or single. Write your FAF nickname here. Make sure your team fits the rating cap. Registration will end on 25th October 23:59 UTC.
• Don't bother with single registation, organizers will try their best to help you with finding a suitable mate (no pun intended)

Description of union control:

If one of commanders dies, the player can switch via Alt+F2 to his ally and continue to help his ally. Alt+F2 won't allow do anything besides it (won't allow giving yourself Paragon or Mavor). So if one of teamates dies, both player will control all the units they have. For example, one can play land and other play air to divide responsibilities.

It essentially eliminates APM penalty for a commander's death. In order to compensate it, full share is changed to partial share. Partial share works as full share except it doesn't share military units, only buildings and engineers.

"HQ SACU" mod description:

T3 land/air HQ can produce stock SACUs (without upgrades). The factories cannot, only HQs.

Tournament rules:

• If the team is 30 minutes late after start of event, team gets disqualified.
• If one of team members cannot participate, it can be replaced during the tournament by other pre-registered participant. You can register your reserve player immediately, if you want to.
• Rating of player who replaces cannot be more than 100 points higher than rating of the player he is replacing. Sam with 1400 rating can replace Bill with 1600 rating, but no vice versa.
• Win = 1 score point, draw = 0.5, defeat = 0
• In case of uneven amount of teams at any stage, team gets a bye (free score) in the following precedence: least rating per team, then least amount of wins.
• No one gets a bye more than once per stage (if possible)
• Early withdrawal in stage 1 makes all played and not played games of this team lost
• Stage 1 initial seed is based on combined rating. Match ups during the tournament decided by current score (Swiss system).
• Stage 1. Same teams match ups won't repeat more than twice. Second exact match up won't occur before round 4.
• Any conflict or critical bug should be immediately appealed to the organizer. This implies pausing current game, if necessary

In-game rules:

• Common control - multiple armies, union control
• Share conditions - partial share
• SIM-mod "HQ SACU"
• Unlimited timeouts
• Do not transfer your entire base or entire army before your commander dies. Transfering some units is allowed; exchanging bases is also allowed
• Do not Alt+F2 to change view after your death and before your base is given to an ally
• No in-game spectators other than players, organizers and streamers are allowed
• Name your lobby in format like "DAT3 ABC vs XYZ"
• It is recommended to not choose similar colors as your opponent (pink/red, light blue/dark blue); similar colors for allies are OK. Here is the tutorial
  

Map pool
Every slot that isn't explicitly mentioned below is closed. Again: if slot is neither 'playable' nor 'spawn mex', then it is closed.

First stage:

• Swiss Tour 1. Miracle. Playable slots: 3,4,7,8
• Swiss Tour 2. Lake zero adaptive. Playable slots: 7,8,9,10. All other slots: spawn mex
• Swiss Tour 3. Adaptive sandy valley. Playable slots: 9,10,11,12. Slots 3,4,7,8: spawn mex
• Swiss Tour 4. Primus Alpha Mini. Playable slots: 3,4,5,6
• Swiss Tour 5. Point of Reach v4. Playable slots: 1,2,3,4
• Swiss Tour 6. Abrogation. Playable slots:1,2,5,6

Final stage:
Final stage:

• Wonder open 6v6 v2. Playable slots: 5,6,7,8
• Adaptive Project Dust. Playable slots: 3,4,5,6. All other slots: spawn mex
• Adaptive Project Albus. Playable slots: 1,2,3,4. All other slots: spawn mex
• Stella Maris. Playable slots: 5,6,7,8
• Hrungdaks Canyon 4v4. Playable slots: 1,2,3,4
• Asteria. Playable slots: 1,2,5,6

In extreme case final stage can be postponed by one day (to Sunday 27th October) or one week (to the next 2nd November) depending on the availability of finalists. However initial schedule is planned to be a single day. I've changed the format to hopefully make tournament more swift and less waiting in-between rounds.

Registered teams list:

• Lunyshko aka Banani & Aranei (2256+1938=4194)
• WilloWisppsi & IMakeWarOnU (2143+2023=4166) 18.X
• Nuggets & Rhaelya (2069+2089=4158) 18.X
• Swatoslav & ikigami (2108+2043=4152)
• Chisato aka Yudi & Tenshi- (2400+1741=4141)
• Pavor- & Overrated-Player (2400+1724=4124) 18.X
• Resistance & Neytron (2180+1911=4091) 18.X
• Paradox_of_War & Starchasm_nyx (2049+1936=3985) 18.X
• Vindex & archsimkat (1867+2078=3945) 18.X
• ZLO & eXxited Created_in_abyss (2221+1758=3979) 18.X
• LimeZ3_ & White_Owl (1993+1666=3659) 18.X

Vacant players:

• Deli (2130)
• Created_in_abyss 1758
• KriegMarine(1700)
• Cunningfox (1678)
• LoliChan (1452)
• Bloo_Dream (1426)

Contact

• PM me for any questions or suggestions in Discord @sainse.row. This includes organizational, stream coverage questions & prize contribution suggestions.

Results
In order to pass into final stage team should have scored 4/6.

First (swiss) stage manual table. Round 6 was finished early cause the remaining two teams who didn't play round 6 already got 4/6, making them play against each other would make no difference. Also 2.5/6 won't pass into second stage anyway. So I've decided to end it a little bit earlier.

The final stage single elimination BO1 is available at
https://challonge.com/dat3s2
Every game was played except 3rd place match

@ctrl-k I would be happy with your scoreboard as well