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    • maudlin27M Offline
      maudlin27
      last edited by

      Aurora are too much of a headache for me so I usually just try and skip the T1 tank phase if I'm Aeon (in TMM)

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      • gabrilendG Offline
        gabrilend
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        Auroras are like snipers. I put some flares (about 7 flares for every 5 aurora) in my armies to soak up damage and to hurt anything that tries to rush them. They're dirt cheap so who cares when they die - at least the aurora wasn't hit. When combined with an attack-move order the auroras will often survive to fight another day while the flares will take the biggest chunk of the damage.

        Mantises are like an enveloping swarm - they're good for punishing an enemy who over extends, they can cut off reinforcements and hit the artillery from the side - they're good for flanking and kiting - if you have 5 mantises shooting 3 strikers, the mantis should trade favorably even if there's 15 strikers behind them. Ebb and flow like waves on the shore, draw them out and strike when they're weak and disorganized.

        Strikers are like a clenched fist - they can punch straight through any enemy line and march right through to the artillery. They can be an impassible wall or a spear thrust through the gut - they are indomitable. And slow. And short range. And easily outmaneuvered / kited. They are best launched like a bullet from a gun, straight for the heart of your foe.

        I don't play aliens so idk about the Thaam

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        • ThomasHiattT Offline
          ThomasHiatt @gabrilend
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          @gabrilend said in Weekly Discussion #19 - T1 tanks:

          They're dirt cheap so who cares when they die

          But a flare is 78% of the cost of an aurora with 74% of the hp.

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          • gabrilendG Offline
            gabrilend @ThomasHiatt
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            @thomashiatt

            Yes but you can build them twice as fast and they deal 2/3rd as much damage. So especially when you're going against strikers, with their slow-as-heck fire rate often it's better to have two guns pointed at the enemy than one.

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            • waffelzNoobW Offline
              waffelzNoob
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              yeah thomas get lectured buddy

              frick snoops!

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              • gabrilendG Offline
                gabrilend @waffelzNoob
                last edited by

                @bulliednoob I literally never see anyone else doing that so it's probably just a noob trap that I fell for lol don't listen to me xD

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                • X Offline
                  Xayo
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                  The aurora is the single reason why I feel like my Aeon rating is 300 points lower than all other factions.

                  It can't raid, can't defend against raids on even slightly open maps, and commits suicide the moment a bomber shows up.
                  This disadvantage in the t1 stage snowballs into less mapcontrol, less mexes, and eventually weaker at all following tech stages.

                  I feel like particulary aeon vs cybran on something like a 15x15 land map is an impossible task.

                  I hate the aurora.

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                  • ? Offline
                    A Former User
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                    We could make Flares a bit more like Mantises.

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                    • gabrilendG Offline
                      gabrilend @Guest
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                      I treat Aeon as substantially different in terms of army composition to UEF and Cybran. Both of them their medium tank is the star of the show, while with Aeon it's a little more mixed. Aeon has a problem with durability, so I throw in Flares to soak up some of the shots fired - this doesn't work as well against Cybran who have rapid fire laser guns on their mantises. Basically trying to get as much of the enemy's dps wasted on overkill as possible, while also dealing a ton of damage of your own. The Auroras are like archers, they're weak but they can hit from far away - the flares are like daggers. Maybe a little dull daggers, because of the shape of their projectile LOL

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                      • T Offline
                        TankenAbard
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                        I always found the Flare to be interesting. It's pretty beefy for a LAB, nice burst for ghetto gunships, but a full Aurora isn't that much more expensive.

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                        • FtXCommandoF Offline
                          FtXCommando
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                          Mixing flares and auroras defeats the strength of either unit. It’s not a good idea for the same reason mixing mongoose and pillar is not a good idea, to properly make use of the units in a mix you’re basically required to spend 90% of your apm on your army and then while you might get slightly efficient trades your macro is so awful that you’re behind in twice the units.

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                          • gabrilendG Offline
                            gabrilend
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                            Yeah that tends to happen to me, I figured it was the Aeon curse

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