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    Will TML ever be balanced?

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    • FtXCommandoF Offline
      FtXCommando
      last edited by

      ??? TML are the most op form of aggression in the game, it's practically impossible to make one and have it not be efficient. I'm pretty sure killing 1 t2 mex and then reclaiming the launcher is already mass efficient.

      The biggest problem that comes with TMLs to me is the ability to just send 1 notha around killing the TMD and now you lose 4 t2 mexes because of it.

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      • X Offline
        Xayo
        last edited by

        I was also glad to see that the missile speed increase coming with the next patch only applies to mobile launchers, and not to TML and cruisers.

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        • ComradeStrykerC Offline
          ComradeStryker
          last edited by

          I agree, @Xayo.
          The Spearhead feels significantly better with the MML missile speed increase, as well.


          ~ Stryker

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          • S Offline
            snoog
            last edited by

            MML is fine as far as I'm concerned. This post was purely about the stationary T2 TML. And as FtX pointed out that I missed, TMD is also stupidly vulnerable. Forget a notha, it only takes 2-3 T1 bombers to kill a TMD and expose whatever was behind it.

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            • waffelzNoobW Offline
              waffelzNoob @snoog
              last edited by waffelzNoob

              A notha, TML, and 4 loaded missiles, converts to 5 nothas. it's also really hard to not kill 4 t2 mex with 5 nothas. they are free to reload, help fight air, are not restricted to a maximum range, and they will even 100% consistently kill the mass storages around the mexes, so maybe nothas are the most OP form of aggression in the game. or maybe even t2 arty drops
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              if you're worried about nothas or t1 bombers bombing tmd, maybe you built t2 mexes too far forward, or you let the opponent build a tml too close to ur base

              i only think tml acu is busted, regular tml is very strong but not broken imo

              frick snoops!

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              • IndexLibrorumI Offline
                IndexLibrorum Global Moderator
                last edited by IndexLibrorum

                Ah yes, time for the daily "this thing is effective at X and therefore needs to be nerfed" thread. See also: telemazer, aeon in general, and fucking mantis for some ungodly reason.

                "Design is an iterative process. The required number of iterations is one more than the number you have currently done. This is true at any point in time."

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                • FtXCommandoF Offline
                  FtXCommando
                  last edited by FtXCommando

                  T2 arty drops are the only thing that can even contest with tml, but I’d still say a dude intended on cancering with tml will do a lot more pain. TML acu does make it worse, but you tend to see it on water maps where building a tml is unfeasible I’d say.

                  It isn’t really about forward, exposed mexes. On a 10x10 you can build a tml well in your map control next to a t2 mex of your own and still basically hit anything that isn’t in the core base. It’s totally unrealistic to say just don’t upgrade half your mexes in a teamgame and you know it.

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                  • waffelzNoobW Offline
                    waffelzNoob
                    last edited by

                    sorry havent played 10km in 37 years forgot they existed. fortunately its also 300x easier to cover ur entire base with 1 or 2 tmd there, and investing into 2 more just for safety, or a shield to protect tmd, are way more realistic options than on larger maps.
                    any attempts to bomb tmd are also completely negated if any form of t2 buildpower is nearby (which is likely to be the case since bases are much more concentrated), so its unlikely u really lose 4 t2 mex

                    i see extremely high value gun acus, t2 air plays, arty drops, and tml acus way more frequently than high value regular tmls

                    frick snoops!

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                    • ValkiV Offline
                      Valki
                      last edited by

                      Move TML to T1, nerf cost & damage stats accordingly but leave range the same.
                      A fully loaded T1 TML should be able to destroy a T2 mex.

                      T1 TML will still threaten T2 mexes. By building multiple T1 TML you can still destroy a T2 mex in one volley.

                      Most importantly, with TML being a threat at T1 there is an awareness of TML and forgetting TMD isn't as much of a thing anymore.
                      When 1 T1 TML is working on a T2 mex, there is some opportunity to notice it and to spam up TMD or emergency repair.

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                      • IndexLibrorumI Offline
                        IndexLibrorum Global Moderator @Valki
                        last edited by

                        @valki I'll have what you're smoking.

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                        • TheVVheelboyT Offline
                          TheVVheelboy @IndexLibrorum
                          last edited by

                          @indexlibrorum said in Will TML ever be balanced?:

                          @valki I'll have what you're smoking.

                          I'm sorry to say it, but what you have just written is a bannable offense. Hopefully admins are gonna administer the law as it's given.

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                          • IndexLibrorumI Offline
                            IndexLibrorum Global Moderator @TheVVheelboy
                            last edited by

                            @xiaomao I will plead my innocence most vehemently.

                            (What rule do you mean?)

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                            • FtXCommandoF Offline
                              FtXCommando
                              last edited by

                              Not discussing drugs

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                              • C Offline
                                Conny_Action
                                last edited by Conny_Action

                                whats not considered yet is, if when you miss a missile the tml gets more and more inefficient over time. its no no brainer i think. you wont have t2 mexes all over the place at this time. if the tml get scouted you build just 2 or 3 tmd in your base and your t2 expansion or. then tml will just delay lets say your t3 land and what you going to do then when titans roaming everywhere. i think its still a risky decision, which can work out very effectivly but will propably crush your game if it wont. i see it as a good option to punish t3 rushers, but i dont think im playing it on the same level as you guys. i mean i wouldnt even mind if it gets changed, but how then so it wont get irellevant?

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                                • FtXCommandoF Offline
                                  FtXCommando
                                  last edited by

                                  Just buff tmd hp so they dont get cancered as easily

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                                    A Former User @FtXCommando
                                    last edited by

                                    @ftxcommando said in Will TML ever be balanced?:

                                    Not discussing drugs

                                    Context.

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                                    • veteranasheV Offline
                                      veteranashe
                                      last edited by

                                      Could be smoking anything, and technically most things are drugs so is the rule with illegal drugs? And what country and/or state law are we going with here as I'll go with sealand law

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                                      • R Offline
                                        Reckless_Charger
                                        last edited by Reckless_Charger

                                        It's a colloquial expression of disagreement and incredulity at the suggestion of T1 TML. Banning would be madness

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                                        • TheVVheelboyT Offline
                                          TheVVheelboy
                                          last edited by

                                          Huh, then why was I getting nagged for using the same expression. Which mods described to me as derogatory to the other person?

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                                          • R Offline
                                            Reckless_Charger
                                            last edited by

                                            Well it's not polite use of language certainly. You could just say I disagree

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