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    • D Offline
      darkym
      last edited by darkym

      will there still be a "global rating" outside of TMM, and if not how can "setons players" or the like keep on playing the maps they like with fair/balanced teams?

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      • FemtoZettaF Offline
        FemtoZetta
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        "We are NOT deleting your global rating. Custom games will continue to function exactly as they do now (provided there are no bugs)."

        Reading is hard.

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          FunkOff @FtXCommando
          last edited by

          @FtXCommando Please for the love of FAF, include mapgen

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          • archsimkatA Offline
            archsimkat
            last edited by

            and crazyrush!

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            • FtXCommandoF Offline
              FtXCommando
              last edited by FtXCommando

              Actually I'm strongly against gimmick maps in map pools because they break my personal principle of a player being able to spawn in with full grasp of game mechanics and being able to iron out a strategy as well as a guy that has 1000 games on the map. Obviously experience has a lot of value and it's impractical to really expect such players to be competitive against one another, but the point is that everything is equal when you enter the game and survey what your options are.

              If I had a map that had one random crazyrush mex in the corner, then there's no real reason for you to realize that's a mechanic until it's possibly too late to adjust anything about your build to account for it. Same with the crazyrush map itself. You have no idea if these mexes are infinite, you have no idea if buildings block the script, you might have had no idea that the mexes even expand and blocked it with pgens at the start. It's BS as a player, like if every FAF map had 0 natural reclaim except this one map that is put into a pool every 3rd month.

              Of course it is put in tournaments, and that's mostly because people for whatever reason enjoy playing it. I just rationalize it as people knowing the make exists beforehand so it's a fair game since they should be expected to enter the tournament with a knowledge base of the maps in it.

              When it comes to map gen, it's the same criteria I had before. It needs to meet the same minimum baseline of quality that I require manual maps to reach.

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                Azraaa @speed2
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                @speed2 said in Some good news about Team Matchmaking (TMM):

                soooooooo GW soon™?

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                • KaletheQuickK Offline
                  KaletheQuick @Morax
                  last edited by

                  @Morax said in Some good news about Team Matchmaking (TMM):

                  In the words of Mando,

                  "This is the way."

                  Is Princess Rhianne a joke to you? 😐
                  Heretic.
                  -.-

                  You must deceive the enemy, sometimes your allies, but you must always deceive yourself!

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                    KaletheQuick @FtXCommando
                    last edited by

                    @FtXCommando Would some kind of partial full share be possible? Where a portion of the killed players units are killed instead of transferred? Something to make killing a player slightly more impactful, if possible.

                    You must deceive the enemy, sometimes your allies, but you must always deceive yourself!

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                    • FtXCommandoF Offline
                      FtXCommando
                      last edited by

                      Is it possible? Yes.

                      Is it coded? No.

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                      • TerminalT Offline
                        Terminal
                        last edited by

                        Will map sizes be chosen at random or will there be more weight for a specific map sizes?

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                        • FtXCommandoF Offline
                          FtXCommando
                          last edited by

                          If I put more 20x20s in a pool, you're statistically more likely to get 20x20s as every map has equal weight.

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                            FunkOff @FtXCommando
                            last edited by

                            @FtXCommando 10x10s are superior, 5x5s are good too, please fewer 20x20s (but 20x20s that play like 10x10s are fine)

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                              KaletheQuick @FunkOff
                              last edited by

                              @FunkOff Are 30x30s possible?

                              @FtXCommando Ok. I will get to work on that then.

                              You must deceive the enemy, sometimes your allies, but you must always deceive yourself!

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                                FunkOff
                                last edited by

                                Not directly. You can make 40x40 map and set the playable area to 30x30. This will accomplish the same effect.

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                                • phongP Offline
                                  phong
                                  last edited by phong

                                  @KaletheQuick Sheikah made a sim mod called Structure Share: you inherit a dead teammate's structures and engineers, but attacking units die. If this is what you're looking for, you can find it in the Mod Vault

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                                  • KaletheQuickK Offline
                                    KaletheQuick @FunkOff
                                    last edited by

                                    @FunkOff Hmm, not too bad. Still loading all that data into memory and Vram, but still probably less slow than a 40x40.

                                    @phong Not exactly, but it sounds like it would use a lot of the same hooks and functions.

                                    I like full share, but I just feel like the enemy team should be 'hurt' a little more by losing a commander. And incentivize a little away from suicide com strats.

                                    You must deceive the enemy, sometimes your allies, but you must always deceive yourself!

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                                      Sheikah
                                      last edited by

                                      That mod was made as a first step to just let people play around with it. If there is interest it can save some units as a percentage of mass cost as well. Just some effort would need to be added to make sure it was predictable and doesnt come across as random as that would be bad since it would make it harder for skill to be a factor

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                                        FunkOff
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                                        Something to consider is that mobile units can die to ACU death nuke, but structures cannot. Therefore, in a structure-only share condition, structures (mex uprades and pgens) are a safer investment than mobile units: Mobile units can die to enemy or ally death nukes and will not transfer upon death. However structures of all kinds will not die in death nukes and will transfer upon death. Therefore, the structure-only full share incentivizes turtling.

                                        I think instead of changing how share works, why not just make ACU death nukes do equal damage to units and structures with the mod, but defining the right damage number will be tricky to not incentivize comm bombing as a strategy.

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                                          Fremy_Speeddraw
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                                          Give players a prompt to pay a "small" mass fee equal to 20% of the mass worth of the remaining units and buildings of the deceased to receive their remaining assets. Prompt stays up for half a minute during which the units and buildings in question are transferred to a neutral civilian faction and receive diplomatic immunity and are protected by the Geneva Convention. Reclaim and capture attempts result in immediate termination of the Commander rank and excommunication from the game. Upon accepting the fee you start paying out the mass at a consistent rate reaching the finish after 2 minutes. Excessive money will accelerate the process but failure to collect the funds by 2 minutes time will start piling up the extra % on the fee to pay exponentially. Failure to end the payment after 10 minutes results in declaration of bankruptcy and immediate confiscation of the Commander unit. The first on the team to claim the base will be responsible for the payment but naturally they can seek assistance via various non-destructive means such as "Farmsletje, I need mass." and "This 1300 doesn't need his t1 pgens anymore anyway".

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                                            phong
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