Game version 3741
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I love the new TMD change, will the enhanced logic apply to Aeon flares too?
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That TMD change seems like it hugely shifts the balance of basebreaking back to the defender since TMD is way cheaper than cruisers and part of the reason you could eventually break bases came from the fact dumping a giant line of TMD was never efficient and you had to both waste space so they wouldn’t shoot the same thing and waste buildtime as your engies move from isolated TMD to isolated TMD. It also encouraged slowly breaking TMD since them being spaced out meant all TMD aren’t covered by all other TMD.
This could make it orders of magnitudes more painful to break bases, especially competently shielded ones.
I was also told that it’s a good idea regardless and you could rebalance TMD so that they shoot less often so basebreaking remains the same, except that would now make TML way more oppressive since TMD can barely shoot down a TML in time when it’s in front of the target as it is.
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just build battleships bro
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@ftxcommando said in Game version 3741: Sneak peaks:
I was also told that it’s a good idea regardless and you could rebalance TMD so that they shoot less often so basebreaking remains the same, except that would now make TML way more oppressive since TMD can barely shoot down a TML in time when it’s in front of the target as it is.
I don't think that's gonna be a problem, as what is meant by slower is most likely not the reaction time of TMD nor the speed of it's projectile but rather it's reload timer. So it's still gonna be as effective against single missile but will take more time to go after the next one in the voley. And well, now you can just dump all the TMD in front of the protected target in the same place as they no longer waste shoots on the same missile.
And yeah, I fully agree with the rest of your post. Especially when it comes to the t2 land stage and dealing with some firebases at this stage. As it seems MML will also be in dire need of buffs or TMD of massive nerfs not to make t2 arty the only possible counter to fire bases.
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@ftxcommando The solution Jip came up with was increasing the TML missile's hp (cruiser one). This would counterweigh the buff of the TMD and allow for more natural linear scaling of your TMD defenses. Right now the first few TMD's give a lot of value while consequent ones give less and less utility. That kind of solution would benefit from not touching the TMD vs single TML (non-cruiser one) interaction. It would buff TMD vs massive TML barrages but I don't think that's an issue.
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Alright I just kinda assumed from the OP
“Finally A tactical missile defense can properly counter a tactical missile launcher that fires at the same rate and takes only one strike to take down”
that cruiser missile hp was staying the same. What about mmls? Are they getting any hp change or other related buff?
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@tagada said in Game version 3741: Sneak peaks:
Right now the first few TMD's give a lot of value while consequent ones give less and less utility.
Should honestly think about whether or not this is actually a bad thing.
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There's a fix merged into FAF Develop, fixing shielded units from surviving the devastating tractor beam. On top of that - the tactical missile changes have been merged!
To compensate for the higher effectiveness, tactical missiles from cruisers and aircraft carriers have one additional hit points.
A work of art is never finished, merely abandoned
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And the next sneak peak is available - all about game results!
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Awesome! Looking forward to functioning TMD for non-Aeon
On the other hand, doesn't this open a can of worms? What about AA overkilling their targets? (Draining all SAMs on a few spyplanes and letting the bombers behind pass, etc.)
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@jcvjcvjcvjcv Well all units overkill their targets.
But that TMD overkills, while SMD does not makes no sense and from what i understand it's a stat of the unit being hit. So the missile has a stat saying how much anti-missiles should be fired at it at most, assuming each of those does 1 damage.
Since there is more than one AA weapon in the game, the air unit won't know how much damage incoming shots would do (and if they even hit), so you can't use the same mechanic on aircraft. But i think differentiating between units and uncontrollable missiles is fine.Also, about the part with the shots not hitting:
Is there TMD that misses? And if so, how does it affect this? Will it shoot one anti-missile and if it misses your out of luck? -
A reliable Tractor Claw?! I was actually giggling like a little girl while watching the preview vid. That the fire-rate is now visibly consistent is just so good.
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Is there TMD that misses? And if so, how does it affect this? Will it shoot one anti-missile and if it misses your out of luck?
It will try and fire again.
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@jcvjcvjcvjcv said in Game version 3741: Sneak peaks:
On the other hand, doesn't this open a can of worms? What about AA overkilling their targets? (Draining all SAMs on a few spyplanes and letting the bombers behind pass, etc.)
The 'can of worms' argument is also considered the 'slippery slope fallacy' - just because we fix one issue and similar issues exist, it doesn't mean that we shouldn't fix this one issue.
As Nex describes - the reason this works is because the amount of damage that TMDs do is uniform. That doesn't apply to other weaponry. Hence even if we'd want to fix this, we couldn't reliably put a 'count' on it. Let alone that it is a property of projectiles that we're using here, not a property of a weapon or unit.
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@jip Oh does the desiredshootercap refer to units attacking the missile and not to number of shots?
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It refers to the number of shots - the number of shots to be fired to the target before it is considered 'taken down'. If a shot misses the target then another shot is taken.
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@jip said in Game version 3741: Sneak peaks:
To compensate for the higher effectiveness, tactical missiles from cruisers and aircraft carriers have one additional hit points.
Um did you post this correct? Cause the end result from this would be that any tmd gets obliterated by 3 hp uef and 2 hp sera cruisers.
Also this would probably alter navy balance considering a few random cruisers will have a way easier time breaking through bs tmd.
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@thewheelie good friend, it’s time cruisers rise up against the oppression of TMD
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@thewheelie said in Game version 3741: Sneak peaks:
@jip said in Game version 3741: Sneak peaks:
To compensate for the higher effectiveness, tactical missiles from cruisers and aircraft carriers have one additional hit points.
Um did you post this correct? Cause the end result from this would be that any tmd gets obliterated by 3 hp uef and 2 hp sera cruisers.
Also this would probably alter navy balance considering a few random cruisers will have a way easier time breaking through bs tmd.
@tagada said in Game version 3741: Sneak peaks:
@ftxcommando The solution Jip came up with was increasing the TML missile's hp (cruiser one). This would counterweigh the buff of the TMD and allow for more natural linear scaling of your TMD defenses. Right now the first few TMD's give a lot of value while consequent ones give less and less utility. That kind of solution would benefit from not touching the TMD vs single TML (non-cruiser one) interaction. It would buff TMD vs massive TML barrages but I don't think that's an issue.
I'm fine with reversing it again - you're the balance team after all.
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If the fix is thought ti be too big of a buff to tmd what about a slight cost increase for tmd roughly equivalent to the boost in effectiveness that 3 tmd get from the targeting fix? Or a slight rate of fire boost for cruiser missiles?
Since tmd’s sole purpose is defending against missiles though, it doesnt seem a bad thing that they mass efficiently defend a small area against just one part of a cruiser’s functionality, providing it’s not too mass efficient a counter. I.e. it should be cheap to protect against one small location, but expensive to try and protect lots of different locations.A bit like how a novax is good if they have lots of spread out mexes since they cant defend them all, but bad if they can cover most mexes with a couple of shields
