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    THE ENGIE SYNDROME: "GIVE ENGIE" / "ДАЙ ИНЖА"

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    • maudlin27M Offline
      maudlin27
      last edited by maudlin27

      Well they did say read at your own risk!

      More for the benefit of newer players who read this, if a teammate asks you for an engineer, you aren't obliged to provide it (although it's often a good idea since what also often happens, as described here, is they can get very angry about not receiving the engineer). If they then ctrl-K their ACU in response to your refusal (as described here) they're breaching the FAF rules and you can report them.

      The above is a big reason why for a long time I liked playing Astro craters out of the 3 maps that seemed to be played on FAF (Setons, Gap, Astro), since at the time 4v4 TMM wasn't a thing and I really dislike maps where your team expects/demands you to play a particular way and you dont have the freedom to experiment with your own battle plans.
      Fortunately now I have TMM and while a few maps there might be an expected air or navy slot it's fairly rare to get pings as described in the OP.

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      • UvesoU Offline
        Uveso
        last edited by

        i would add a game option to prevent the exange of factories or engineer.
        (or you can only change units if you have the same faction)

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        • ThomasHiattT Offline
          ThomasHiatt
          last edited by

          Just demand more engineers or resources from them in exchange for the engineer, you clearly have the stronger bargaining position and should be able to make a deal.

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          • MachM Offline
            Mach @Uveso
            last edited by

            @uveso said in THE ENGIE SYNDROME: "GIVE ENGIE" / "ДАЙ ИНЖА":

            i would add a game option to prevent the exange of factories or engineer.
            (or you can only change units if you have the same faction)

            this is already a thing btw

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            • SpikeyNoobS Offline
              SpikeyNoob Global Moderator @Guest
              last edited by

              @fiercelv i too would like my 10 minutes back.

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              • deletethisD Offline
                deletethis
                last edited by

                Thank you for the most entertaining read yet in 2023, here's to many more coming!

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                • FtXCommandoF Offline
                  FtXCommando
                  last edited by

                  I send an engie to their base, wait for them to ping it so that I'm sure they're watching it. Then I ctrl+k it.

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                  • MazorNoobM Offline
                    MazorNoob
                    last edited by

                    Also known as the "mid or feed" syndrome.

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                    • QuietJoyQ Offline
                      QuietJoy
                      last edited by

                      Geez, if you can give an engineer just do it. Maybe ask for one in return. Or say soon if now doesn't suit. Otherwise why are you playing a team game!

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                      • LunyshkoL Offline
                        Lunyshko
                        last edited by

                        I did enjoy it to some extent

                        "Good luck and a safe landing commanders!"

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                        • DeribusD Offline
                          Deribus Global Moderator
                          last edited by

                          I read the disclaimer and assumed it was yet more ChatGPT junk

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                          • F Offline
                            Fichom
                            last edited by Fichom

                            I mean you can not expect the moderators to not read something that says "you don't HAVE to read this because I'm assuring you there is no need to nudge nudge wink wink".

                            @FierceLV Yeah I feel, but maybe I'm mistaken, there are 3 things at hand here.
                            2 were already covered by others:

                            1. You have no obligation to give units to anyone. Ever. Period.
                            2. If they go ballistic and decide to Ctrl-K, there are 3 things you should do: report, blacklist and rejoice. Why Rejoice? Well you or one of your teammates were just promoted to having additional mexes, and having someone ahead in eco is really good in these types of maps.

                            The third point is: you do know you can actually remove those pings markers? As you mentioned, some players are narcissistic enough to expect from other players to play the way THEY imagined, often placing a bunch of markers on what to do, when to do it and how to do it (including, but not limited to 'give me engie').

                            Moving aside your potentially personal problem of ignoring/denying narcissistic pursuits (please work on this for your own sake), and having a hard time ignoring their 'commands', I'd recommend you start simply deleting those markers - it'll help your mind game so much. Being totally taken aback by these and preventing you from keeping a level head is a 'you' problem, and that's something you'll have to work on by yourself, on yourself. But if you want to help yourself, take the first step and just start deleting them. It's simple as that.

                            My own experience with asking for engie is usually when I play sera in the naval position, and I really want either a UEF or cybran engie for the sonar. But then some misunderstand me and I have to wait for a long time for them to give me the T2 engie. But I don't play a lot of Gap given it's a large game and my CPU is somewhat shite.

                            @FtXCommando Savage. I love it.

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                            • ZeldafanboyZ Offline
                              Zeldafanboy
                              last edited by

                              just gift the engie especially if its t1, swallow your pride

                              put the xbox units in the game pls u_u

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                              • D Offline
                                Defiant
                                last edited by

                                Sharing engies is enormously powerful in the game. Play as a team = win as a team

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                                • MachM Offline
                                  Mach
                                  last edited by

                                  it is powerful for wrong reasons -> removes faction diversity because every player gets access to every faction's unique unit, making them ironically, not unique

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                                  • F Offline
                                    Fichom @Mach
                                    last edited by

                                    @mach said in THE ENGIE SYNDROME: "GIVE ENGIE" / "ДАЙ ИНЖА":

                                    it is powerful for wrong reasons -> removes faction diversity because every player gets access to every faction's unique unit, making them ironically, not unique

                                    This

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                                    • ZeldafanboyZ Offline
                                      Zeldafanboy
                                      last edited by

                                      You have to progress through the tech tree of each faction's tech, you don't instantly get access to every unit. Usually people get engies for Hives, Sera shields, or whatever experimental

                                      put the xbox units in the game pls u_u

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                                      • MachM Offline
                                        Mach
                                        last edited by

                                        not any harder than progressing through your own tech tree, and people usually share/ask for t3 engineer specifically, immediately getting access to all buildings of the faction, and experimentals, I saw plenty of people mix in other faction units in their composition, especially in navy

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                                        • ? Offline
                                          A Former User
                                          last edited by

                                          Thank you all for the feedback.

                                          And I forgot to mention that one special type of players:

                                          The players who give you an engineer without them being asked just for the reason of simply wanting to help.

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                                          • T Offline
                                            TankenAbard
                                            last edited by

                                            I'll give Asylums to a Cybran player all day to increase their horror potential, Or if someone wants Ravagers I'll likely just give an Engineer because I might not want to put the mass in for that. I don't mind engineer swaps personally, because there's still logistics and additional cost involved in doing it. Air transports, movement time, what if the transport is shot down or the engineer dies, then once the engineer is transferred over its up to that person to fund any project they want.

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