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    THE ENGIE SYNDROME: "GIVE ENGIE" / "ДАЙ ИНЖА"

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    • ResistanceR Offline
      Resistance
      last edited by

      you owe me 10 irl mins for making me read this.

      queuing with a newbie to show him the beauty of tmm and meeting tagada be like:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLcRpdZ0Xb0&ab_channel=Tomoko

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      • TheVVheelboyT Offline
        TheVVheelboy
        last edited by

        You people actually read this?

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        • maudlin27M Offline
          maudlin27
          last edited by maudlin27

          Well they did say read at your own risk!

          More for the benefit of newer players who read this, if a teammate asks you for an engineer, you aren't obliged to provide it (although it's often a good idea since what also often happens, as described here, is they can get very angry about not receiving the engineer). If they then ctrl-K their ACU in response to your refusal (as described here) they're breaching the FAF rules and you can report them.

          The above is a big reason why for a long time I liked playing Astro craters out of the 3 maps that seemed to be played on FAF (Setons, Gap, Astro), since at the time 4v4 TMM wasn't a thing and I really dislike maps where your team expects/demands you to play a particular way and you dont have the freedom to experiment with your own battle plans.
          Fortunately now I have TMM and while a few maps there might be an expected air or navy slot it's fairly rare to get pings as described in the OP.

          M27AI and M28AI developer; Devlogs and more general AI development guide:
          https://forum.faforever.com/topic/2373/ai-development-guide-and-m27ai-v71-devlog
          https://forum.faforever.com/topic/5331/m28ai-devlog-v130

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          • UvesoU Offline
            Uveso
            last edited by

            i would add a game option to prevent the exange of factories or engineer.
            (or you can only change units if you have the same faction)

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            • ThomasHiattT Offline
              ThomasHiatt
              last edited by

              Just demand more engineers or resources from them in exchange for the engineer, you clearly have the stronger bargaining position and should be able to make a deal.

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              • MachM Offline
                Mach @Uveso
                last edited by

                @uveso said in THE ENGIE SYNDROME: "GIVE ENGIE" / "ДАЙ ИНЖА":

                i would add a game option to prevent the exange of factories or engineer.
                (or you can only change units if you have the same faction)

                this is already a thing btw

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                • SpikeyNoobS Offline
                  SpikeyNoob Global Moderator @Guest
                  last edited by

                  @fiercelv i too would like my 10 minutes back.

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                  • deletethisD Offline
                    deletethis
                    last edited by

                    Thank you for the most entertaining read yet in 2023, here's to many more coming!

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                    • FtXCommandoF Offline
                      FtXCommando
                      last edited by

                      I send an engie to their base, wait for them to ping it so that I'm sure they're watching it. Then I ctrl+k it.

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                      • MazorNoobM Offline
                        MazorNoob
                        last edited by

                        Also known as the "mid or feed" syndrome.

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                        • QuietJoyQ Offline
                          QuietJoy
                          last edited by

                          Geez, if you can give an engineer just do it. Maybe ask for one in return. Or say soon if now doesn't suit. Otherwise why are you playing a team game!

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                          • LunyshkoL Offline
                            Lunyshko
                            last edited by

                            I did enjoy it to some extent

                            "Good luck and a safe landing commanders!"

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                            • DeribusD Offline
                              Deribus Global Moderator
                              last edited by

                              I read the disclaimer and assumed it was yet more ChatGPT junk

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                              • F Offline
                                Fichom
                                last edited by Fichom

                                I mean you can not expect the moderators to not read something that says "you don't HAVE to read this because I'm assuring you there is no need to nudge nudge wink wink".

                                @FierceLV Yeah I feel, but maybe I'm mistaken, there are 3 things at hand here.
                                2 were already covered by others:

                                1. You have no obligation to give units to anyone. Ever. Period.
                                2. If they go ballistic and decide to Ctrl-K, there are 3 things you should do: report, blacklist and rejoice. Why Rejoice? Well you or one of your teammates were just promoted to having additional mexes, and having someone ahead in eco is really good in these types of maps.

                                The third point is: you do know you can actually remove those pings markers? As you mentioned, some players are narcissistic enough to expect from other players to play the way THEY imagined, often placing a bunch of markers on what to do, when to do it and how to do it (including, but not limited to 'give me engie').

                                Moving aside your potentially personal problem of ignoring/denying narcissistic pursuits (please work on this for your own sake), and having a hard time ignoring their 'commands', I'd recommend you start simply deleting those markers - it'll help your mind game so much. Being totally taken aback by these and preventing you from keeping a level head is a 'you' problem, and that's something you'll have to work on by yourself, on yourself. But if you want to help yourself, take the first step and just start deleting them. It's simple as that.

                                My own experience with asking for engie is usually when I play sera in the naval position, and I really want either a UEF or cybran engie for the sonar. But then some misunderstand me and I have to wait for a long time for them to give me the T2 engie. But I don't play a lot of Gap given it's a large game and my CPU is somewhat shite.

                                @FtXCommando Savage. I love it.

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                                • ZeldafanboyZ Offline
                                  Zeldafanboy
                                  last edited by

                                  just gift the engie especially if its t1, swallow your pride

                                  put the xbox units in the game pls u_u

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                                  • D Offline
                                    Defiant
                                    last edited by

                                    Sharing engies is enormously powerful in the game. Play as a team = win as a team

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                                    • MachM Offline
                                      Mach
                                      last edited by

                                      it is powerful for wrong reasons -> removes faction diversity because every player gets access to every faction's unique unit, making them ironically, not unique

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                                      • F Offline
                                        Fichom @Mach
                                        last edited by

                                        @mach said in THE ENGIE SYNDROME: "GIVE ENGIE" / "ДАЙ ИНЖА":

                                        it is powerful for wrong reasons -> removes faction diversity because every player gets access to every faction's unique unit, making them ironically, not unique

                                        This

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                                        • ZeldafanboyZ Offline
                                          Zeldafanboy
                                          last edited by

                                          You have to progress through the tech tree of each faction's tech, you don't instantly get access to every unit. Usually people get engies for Hives, Sera shields, or whatever experimental

                                          put the xbox units in the game pls u_u

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                                          • MachM Offline
                                            Mach
                                            last edited by

                                            not any harder than progressing through your own tech tree, and people usually share/ask for t3 engineer specifically, immediately getting access to all buildings of the faction, and experimentals, I saw plenty of people mix in other faction units in their composition, especially in navy

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