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    Developers Iteration II of 2023

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    • SpikeyNoobS Offline
      SpikeyNoob Global Moderator @HOSCHMOSCH
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      @hoschmosch You trying to dictate what volunteers spend their time on is entitled. There is no valid criticism involved.

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        HOSCHMOSCH
        last edited by HOSCHMOSCH

        i am not dictacting anything. i am just addressing facts.
        It seems that this is a reflex that repeatedly hinders constructive development. The entitlement should lie in u.

        What's wrong with directing the very limited programming resources in the right direction, especially because it's voluntary and precisely because it's limited?

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        • veteranasheV Offline
          veteranashe
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          If you didn't want the direction to be changed you wouldn't be saying anything.

          It's best you keep these thoughts to yourself unless you plan on donating to people trying to fix things.

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          • H Offline
            HOSCHMOSCH
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            omg.
            Of course, you can feel attacked or choose to accept the observation. It might even be beneficial to do so. I will follow your advise and keep it for me next time.

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            • FtXCommandoF Offline
              FtXCommando
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              “Hey don’t do that go do this instead”
              “no”

              solution?

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              • H Offline
                HOSCHMOSCH
                last edited by HOSCHMOSCH

                The result is, as always, a dead-end discussion where everyone is offended. The team is satisfied with their indignant consensus. You really must let that sink in. Multiple people are working parallel on an AI while the entire system remains so unstable.
                Then, for weeks and months, they work on the ability to construct buildings on uneven ground, while the system remains unstable. To mention this and question whether they still have any connection to the everyday gameplay is nothing less than common sense from someone who is on the outside.

                What do you think about the players' motivation to provide feedback or improvement suggestions after they read this chat conversation? Exactly zero. And it's not just me who feels that way. This forum, as well as the old one, is full of such examples. Just like the team, i would like to contribute a small amount in my abilitys, so to speak, but afterwards, it feels like i am just fighting against their ego.

                Hours upon hours are spent on minor balancing details while certain things clearly need to be adjusted.

                I don't know how the team is structured or if it is even structured, but having someone who oversees and directs the allocation of resources to different projects would certainly be advantageous, not only for the team but ultimately for the players as well. I can assure you that 9 out of 10 people would gladly trade sloped buildings for smooth gameplay.

                I think it's commendable that u guys are sacrificing their free time to make all of this possible. It's definitely a positive aspect. However, so much effort seems to be "wasted" in my opinion. and take it as it is. its just my opinion. it is not even relevant if its correct. I dont know, i am not in your team. I dont know what you are discussing internally. important is to ask your self why people like me think that.

                Enough of this crap. I also consider it a wasted effort.
                You do You

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                • BlackYpsB Offline
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                  Have you ever thought about the fact that different problems require different skillsets to solve? This trade between sloped buildings and smooth gameplay doesn't exist. Not everybody is able to contribute to solving the server issues. Should they instead do nothing at all to give the illusion that we dedicate all efforts to the problem that is considered the highest priority?
                  Similarly, there is no resource allocation to do. How do you think that would work. That I go to the balance team and tell them "hey, you have to do X instead now."? They would laugh in my face. And rightfully so

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                  • BlackYpsB Offline
                    BlackYps
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                    P.S. we really need the downvote button back for forum posts

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                    • H Offline
                      HOSCHMOSCH @BlackYps
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                      @blackyps
                      you can downvote your self.

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                      • H Offline
                        HOSCHMOSCH @BlackYps
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                        @blackyps said in Developers Iteration II of 2023:

                        P.S. we really need the downvote button back for forum posts

                        btw. dont tell them what they have to work on. ....

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                        • JipJ Offline
                          Jip @HOSCHMOSCH
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                          @hoschmosch said in Developers Iteration II of 2023:

                          It's such a shame to see that nobody is controlling the programming power. Instead, redundant projects and relatively less important projects are being implemented, rather than addressing the relevant and more fundamental problems.

                          What problems are you referring to here?

                          A work of art is never finished, merely abandoned

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                          • H Offline
                            HOSCHMOSCH
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                            nah man this sucked the life out of me .. just forget it and keep on with what ever u doing. i am so done.

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                            • JipJ Offline
                              Jip
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                              @HOSCHMOSCH I asked because I don't want to make assumptions on what you're referring to.

                              If it is about the general stability (which I interpret as connection problems) of the game then we have taken further steps to try to tackle the problem. Some of them are part of the second development iteration. We're monitoring the systems to evaluate their impact, but at the moment it is too soon to tell.

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                                HOSCHMOSCH @Jip
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                                @jip said in Developers Iteration II of 2023:

                                @HOSCHMOSCH I asked because I don't want to make assumptions on what you're referring to.

                                If it is about the general stability (which I interpret as connection problems) of the game then we have taken further steps to try to tackle the problem. Some of them are part of the second development iteration. We're monitoring the systems to evaluate their impact, but at the moment it is too soon to tell.

                                yeah u assume right.
                                thats what i call a civilized answer. thx u

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                                • AzraaaA Offline
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                                  People need to stop thinking we ain't focusing on stability, we are. That shouldn't however stop other sectors of development or the entire game halts to a grind.

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                                    @hoschmosch said in Developers Iteration II of 2023:

                                    @blackyps
                                    you can downvote your self.

                                    Yk, being salty won't solve anything, and if you are so smart, why wouldn't you contribute yourself?

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                                    • JipJ Offline
                                      Jip
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                                      Shall we drop the topic? 🙂

                                      A work of art is never finished, merely abandoned

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                                        Hello everyone,

                                        is it normal that the client update takes up so much RAM? here are two pictures of me and a buddy.
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                                        • JipJ Offline
                                          Jip
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                                          The alpha client reduces the memory footprint of the client, should be released soon. See also the second alpha release

                                          A work of art is never finished, merely abandoned

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                                          • JipJ Offline
                                            Jip
                                            last edited by Jip

                                            A hot fix has been released this evening, you can find the details in the second post

                                            A work of art is never finished, merely abandoned

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