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    Completely 2.1k+ ladder scene is dead

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    • FtXCommandoF Offline
      FtXCommando
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      1. This is a solution if you assume that people simply play for fun. Yet if they simply played for fun then there would be no need for tournaments and people would just be online to play. They are not. This solution accomplishes nothing. Tournaments only have value based on either the real monetary value or system built around it.

      2. The people good at 1v1 are also the people good at 4v4, not having the people for 1v1 means you have even less competent players around for high level teamgames. Historically a teamgame tournament has never been as competitive as 1v1 tournaments because if you allow self-organization, there will be at best 3 teams that are competitive.

      3. This is just an admittance of failure, at which point this community is dead and doomed to casual weekend mediocrity.

      4. Doesn't change anything he's talking about.

      5. Then where are the new people? There are two strategies: either FAF increases the volume of water going into the filter or it patches the leaks as much as it can. If it does neither out of apathy, then the game dies.

      6. lol

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      • RobustnessR Offline
        Robustness
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        just if morax really has no time for tournament affairs, then delegate this activity to someone?

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        • FtXCommandoF Offline
          FtXCommando
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          It's his job to delegate his responsibilities if he can't do them. Beyond that, he campaigned on the premise that high level tournaments had too much focus anyway. This stuff is just the natural conclusion of that.

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          • RobustnessR Offline
            Robustness
            last edited by

            so he didn't delegate them for the duration of his employment?

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            • ThomasHiattT Offline
              ThomasHiatt
              last edited by

              If the game isn't fun enough to play without making new events each month then just stop playing it. Why do work to encourage people to play a game that they don't find fun anyway? Who benefits from having people spend their time playing?

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              • FtXCommandoF Offline
                FtXCommando
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                Because people make decisions at the margin. The point is to push the margin in the direction of FAF rather than some other game.

                Also I benefit because I get an easier time finding games when I want to play.

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                • RobustnessR Offline
                  Robustness
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                  I do not know how English speakers are now, we (ru) always have small tournaments and FFA events, with small prizes from streamers, there is always a PR company for events and attracting both new and famous players. We often have problems with permissions...

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                  • RobustnessR Offline
                    Robustness
                    last edited by

                    it's just a well-established opinion that we are drowning for the popularization of global and custom games, and the rest for 1x1

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                    • MrBeastM Offline
                      MrBeast
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                      I think it will be relevant to communicate with those who can influence the situation and those who are participants in this situation. Instead of arguing with a lover of Gap and other garbage. As Petrik said, "sitting under a stone." Sorry Robustness, if there are prospects for you in view of 40 gappers with a 500 rating that will leave in a day than some 2400 player, then our dispute and dialogue is over.No one relies on streamers for create pro tournaments, it's their choice. But at the very least, faf should promote high-quality games for the best of the best and help keep the competitive spirit alive (I cant mean only value tourney) . Unfortunately, the rivalry is gone, and only the spirit remains. I want to back at least 2-3 years, where I can find match on 2100, instead OF NOTHING.

                      DONT BELIVE BH HE IS LIEING

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                      • RobustnessR Offline
                        Robustness
                        last edited by Robustness

                        so decide, "the rivalry is gone" or Morax is to blame for this and you want to return the way it was under the ftx...

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                        • RobustnessR Offline
                          Robustness
                          last edited by

                          a typical whiner...

                          when I want to do something better, I take it into my own hands and do what with gap, what with maps, what with creating tutorials and materials on which dozens of new cartographers of a good level have appeared

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                          • LunyshkoL Offline
                            Lunyshko
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                            All i see is just a random high level dude crying since his game friends left him while trying to blame unrelated guy. As cringe as it is he even wants to get cash and more shiny stuff to his nickname.

                            "Good luck and a safe landing commanders!"

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                            • TheVVheelboyT Offline
                              TheVVheelboy
                              last edited by

                              Or maybe he just wants to play a fucking game? Instead of having 10h q times.

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                              • LunyshkoL Offline
                                Lunyshko
                                last edited by

                                Do you think he is the only one that cant find a game? 4v4s are pretty popular and actually playable even for 2.4k.

                                "Good luck and a safe landing commanders!"

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                                • TheVVheelboyT Offline
                                  TheVVheelboy
                                  last edited by

                                  Well, he wants to enjoy 1v1 not 4v4.

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                                  • LunyshkoL Offline
                                    Lunyshko
                                    last edited by

                                    Welp, he can host global one.

                                    "Good luck and a safe landing commanders!"

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                                    • LunyshkoL Offline
                                      Lunyshko
                                      last edited by

                                      Im actually being fucking blind on his arrogant attitude and fucking overwhelming selfesteem as 2276 gyy who thinks he is worth more than 40 fucking players. He is cancer to our nontoxic community

                                      "Good luck and a safe landing commanders!"

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                                        Exselsior
                                        last edited by Exselsior

                                        Is there more we could do to encourage new(er) or stagnant players to get up to a 2k level? I almost always hear the remaining 2k+ players talk about how many of the older ones are either completely gone or mostly inactive, but I never really hear about decent attempts to get existing players up to the higher levels. Mostly just see gatekeeping around the 2k level and then moaning about how there are no 2ks.

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                                        • LunyshkoL Offline
                                          Lunyshko
                                          last edited by

                                          I mean to produce 2k you need a whole bunch of free time and motivation. And also not that easy to even get to 2k even if you have free time and motivation.

                                          "Good luck and a safe landing commanders!"

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                                            Exselsior
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                                            Agreed, but it's better than nothing. The vast majority of us will never be able to hit 2k ladder, or even 2k global in team games outside of gap/astro, but an openness amongst higher rated people to help lower rated ones couldn't hurt. I liked Tagada's open training sessions and stuff like that would be cool to be hosted by other higher rated people as one example. More flair for hitting those ratings probably wouldn't hurt either as was mentioned earlier in this post but I think that's already being partially addressed with the league system perhaps?

                                            Anyway, currently I see people just get toxic when they get up to 2k or close to it, and I see other people who are 2k say those newer people aren't real 2ks and other gatekeeping bs. Bad combo that makes everything worse. How to fix that? I've got no clue at the moment, I'm just saying what I've personally noticed.

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