Hate hate

Tsirkitna

@furyritchie I appreciate you can have your own thoughts on this but for you to shit on me for wanting to take such a strong stance is confusing to me. If you are ok with hate speech than that is a reflection of who you are. I want to take a strong stance against it and that is a reflection of who I am. People purchase the game yes but it should be a privilege to be part of the online community not a right. The reasonings you are attempting to make are part of the problem. I'm not being political. This is not a political issue to me it is a human rights issue. Like I said I am not talking about people trash talking. I am talking about racism, anti gay, bigotry. I fall into none of those groups but will defend them vehemently. Perhaps you are the one who should not be part of a moderation team if you take such issues so lightly and are annoyed that there are those who wish to rid a community of them. Savagely punishing those who act with savage hate should be a no brainer. The current system exist yes but I don't think it is enough for this specific issue. When people have a problem with any attempt to rid the community of hate speech it makes me think they are the types that act like that. Why else would you want to defend such actions. Do you actually want a community where anyone can say and do anything with no real consequence?....not really a community then is it....

I will continue to report all infractions of this nature that I see. I will trust that the actual leaders of this community have seen this post and will consider it objectively. I hope that there are more people like me around here that want a minimum standard of conduct and hope that we can find a way to rid our community of hate speech in all it's forms but I will never have empathy for people who act this way and am shocked you would make such a suggestion.

BlackYps

Violations of rules will always exist regardless of how severe the punishment is. The existence of the violations does not imply that they are allowed.

I am not arguing for or against an increase of punishments, I just want to say that there is a point where an increase in punishment doesn't have any further effect. There is a reason why we don't punish every crime with a lifetime in prison.

FtXCommando

Human rights lol

“what’s wrong with being gay?”
“it’s gay”

is right between running over POWs with tanks to hear the sound they make and intentionally withholding food and water from areas that didn’t vote for you in a natural crisis.

I get the desire to remove use of racial slurs, but your OP sounds like you also want people to stop saying fuck which is just kinda ridiculous. Especially when you attach it to some perm ban. At least that’s what I think your censored F word is since it’s 4 letters.

For this to be as productive as possible:
https://www.faforever.com/rules

Explain what segment of the rules should be changed and what it should be changed to.

FtXCommando

Also, does anyone have an example of a game that implemented a chat filter that resulted in any real cultural shift? It’s like the penultimate example of George Bush flying onto an aircraft carrier to proclaim Mission Accomplished in 2002 after Desert Storm.

FemtoZetta

@tsirkitna said in Hate hate:

When people have a problem with any attempt to rid the community of hate speech it makes me think they are the types that act like that. Why else would you want to defend such actions.

He wasn't defending people using hate speech. He was arguing for not punishing it as severely as you want it to be punished. Implying that he is someone who uses hate speech because of that is unreasonable and frankly insulting to him. Simply arguing against your stance doesn't make whoever does it your enemy, which does seem to be what you think though.
As people have already told you multiple times, make the report, there will be some kind of punishment. The punishment won't be as harsh as you want it to be, but it's definitely not tolerated, and has led to perma bans in the past for people who don't learn.

Tsirkitna

I give up, just delete this post. I got my answer on where FAF stands on this issue......everything is fine and nothing needs to change. The end!

Tsirkitna

@ftxcommando I wouldnt sensor fucks......like i said so many times I am not talking about shit talk....I am talking about hate talk...............but whatever, I give up.

TheWeakie

Seems pretty toxic to me that you label everyone that disagrees with you as a racist and hate speech supporter

FtXCommando

I mean I just didn't know if you were talking about bundles of sticks or fuck there. Don't think anyone has a problem with issuing warnings and bans for words like that but it still isn't really something that warrants such a draconian policy.

BlackYps

@tsirkitna said in Hate hate:

I give up, just delete this post. I got my answer on where FAF stands on this issue......everything is fine and nothing needs to change. The end!

W-what? How did you arrive at that conclusion?

Tsirkitna

@thewheelie lol, the dude tells me that trying to combat racism is every bit as insidious as racism itself.......

Tsirkitna

@blackyps because obviously everybody is happy with the way things are so that's why I give up....simple....

furyritchie

@tsirkitna

I appreciate you can have your own thoughts on this but for you to shit on me for wanting to take such a strong stance is confusing to me.

I'm not "shitting" on you. You just suggest that an online game take these things more seriously than one of the most politically correct organisations in the world. It is absolutely baffling and makes no sense.

Savagely punishing those who act with savage hate should be a no brainer.

You propose disproportionate punishments. They commit quite minor offences and deserve every chance to learn that that is not what we do here at FAF before they face consequences more severe than a court of law ever would give them. A lifetime sentence for two uses of a word...?

The current system exist yes but I don't think it is enough for this specific issue.
Why else would you want to defend such actions

These actions are already against the rules. And this is precisely what I meant when I said political correctness is a drain to even hear about. All this energy I have wasted when the rules already deal with the issue. The issue here was that you didn't know about the moderation / reporting options. Now that you do you can employ them.

I will continue to report all infractions of this nature that I see

Good. I appreciate that. Nobody wants this stuff, we just don't want to lifetime ban people who will most likely stop doing it with a warning. It's unfair and it's inhumane.

but I will never have empathy for people who act this way and am shocked you would make such a suggestion.

Your claim to supporting human rights is a facade when you abandon the most basic empathy and don't even attempt to understand your fellow human beings. You desire control. This has nothing to do with 'human rights'.

I give up, just delete this post. I got my answer on where FAF stands on this issue......

@BlackYps
W-what? How did you arrive at that conclusion?

They appear to be radicalised and so any criticism at all results in an outburst. The politically correct have learned that this kind of pressure they place people under can work in the real world sometimes and they can gain control of their fellow humans.

@tsirkitna

To be clear, I support you reporting this stuff and I support the current rules. The moderation team do an excellent job. I hope you keep playing the game and participating in the community. My worry is that you're so radicalised or programmed to react this way that you'd rather leave if we don't permaban people for a mere two infractions. Now that is a shame.

Tsirkitna

@ftxcommando fags....the word was fags.....

Tsirkitna

@furyritchie clearly you will never get it. Saying it's a minor offense for using just a word is ridiculous. Calling people a nigger over and over or making a lobby called no niggers....that's minor to you then obviously racism isn't that big of a deal to you(but now I am toxic for pointing this out even though you have clearly made it known where you stand on the issue lol). Labeling me a political activist for wanting decent human behavior is also ridiculous. I have never voted in my life FYI. Telling me I'm taking offense after you clearly attacked me?.....like I said, I give up. there is no reasoning with people like you.....there just isn't. so go and do as you please but don't pretend to know me or have me figured out. I had an idea to try and prevent hate speech in the community because I am sick of seeing it and what a horrible idea it obviously was because they are just words right.....you twist everything I say so I just won't say anything. I give an example of punishment and you call me a savage....like I said.....no point. carry on

BlackYps

because obviously everybody is happy with the way things are so that's why I give up....simple....

So you choose to ignore this?

For this to be as productive as possible:
https://www.faforever.com/rules

Explain what segment of the rules should be changed and what it should be changed to.

Tsirkitna

@blackyps yes I chose to ignore it because I never said there was anything wrong with the rules.I was suggesting we do more like.....wait......ill just be repeating myself and we all know how my posts when over the first time......the end!

furyritchie

@tsirkitna said in Hate hate:

@furyritchie clearly you will never get it. Saying it's a minor offense for using just a word is ridiculous. Calling people a n***** over and over or making a lobby called no n******

This really is my point. This is against the rules. People can get banned for it if they do it "over and over". These are the current rules and moderation policies already.

Labeling me a political activist for wanting decent human behavior is also ridiculous.

You want people to have lifetime bans from a game they paid for without giving them a chance to correct those actions. What else could you be than an activist?

Telling me I'm taking offense after you clearly attacked me?

I'm not attacking you. I'm telling you that what you propose is extreme. You are emotionally invested in this idea of yours to the point that criticism of it is taken personally. Take a step back. You're welcome here I just want you to use empathy to realise that other human beings deserve to be treated with compassion not hate. You oppose hate with hate. All I ask is that you consider opposing it with empathy.

If you do end up reporting more of these games many people will appreciate it. Myself included as nobody wants to see it on their screen during a stream etc.

BlackYps

You heavily implied in your OP that it would be allowed.
Anyway there is no point in discussing this further if you don't want to.

Tsirkitna

@furyritchie this is just where we disagree....I don't see why we would want anyone in the community who would use hate speech or why we would have empathy for a racist.....I have never accidentally used racist or homophobic terms because I was angry......but that's just me. I have zero tolerance.....others have different tolerance levels obviously. I'll just stick to the regular reporting system and leave it at that. Problem solved.