EXACTLY WHAT YOU DESCRIBED ROWEY! MANY MANY THANKS to both:)

I mean there's ctrl-V. Have you tried that????? when you do ctrl-V you can do spacebar-camera-rotation at any high, and it sticks when you zoom in and out. by default it disables the icons but if you disable that mode (ctrl-V again) it keeps the camera angle AND you get the icons (but if you use spacebar again then the camera angle will be reset when you zoom out because you're in the normal mode again)

You will have to forgive me, but I am planning to do some vault changes to the maps and mods where only authorized "whitelist" authors are allowed due to the excessive unreliability and mess. However, I am being challenged as the M&M councilor and will not make any further moves until we know who is the council.