I want to start a noob support community, what do? Also, does anyone want to participate?
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The biggest problem is:
People want to get good at team games by playing team games
But the way to get good is through playing 1v1s with conscious effort directed towards analyzing replays and taking feedback from better players, especially (if you can get it) feedback from top players
How do we create a team game environment that teaches people how to get good at team games? Probably, we can't. Maybe we need Rimworld-style tutorials that assess what is going on in the player's game in order to offer targeted advice as the game goes on. So the game would point out basically "hey dude, your economy is grossly unbalanced" or "bro, you're power stalling and you're not taking this reclaim in front of you" or "don't put storages on t1 mexes" or "you shouldn't put pgens around more than 2 of your t1 mexes" "this e storage thing you're doing is abominated" etc.
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@arma473 easy: host mixed rating game, coach the noob on your team taking time to type, die early due to typing all the time, then coach full time
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@phong u do this great, we have won games just because of your coaching. I think if more people played like that we could have a much better new player environment
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What? You need to play 1v1 to be good at teamgames? Somebody should tell Yudi, BH, and Farm who all got 2k in teamgames before even beginning to care about ladder.
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@spikeynoob I'm willing to share my secret die-fast techniques if you're willing to consider hosting all welcome every now and then haha
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I would like to point out that this is actually a vital post.^^
There're a bunch of newbies out there that could use any kind of help,maybe some short eco videos or some examples of situations to make it interactive, i know that the trainer team is working on developing any means of helping as well, could also suggest to get some short tutorials up and perhaps integrate them in the launcher.
good to know there is progress in this direction
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As I said, there are plenty of people already doing good work training noobs, and more tutorial videos would be nice. What I wanted to focus on was making sure that new players have a higher chance of naturally interacting with a helpful veteran as fast as possible, before they potentially sour on the faf experience, without jumping through any discord or forum hoops. Until the matchmaker becomes the clear default, I think more of a presence of such helpful veterans on the custom lobby list could do this, since, as Deribus said, the noobs themselves are saying that finding games is difficult, in spite of the fact they can host themselves, and in spite of the fact that the matchmaker's available 24/7, but only populated half the time.
Some people don't mind having noobs in their lobbies or they wouldn't join my games. Some of them host themselves, but maybe the noobs that know me don't know them so they are less likely to join. But then there might be other people I haven't even met or barely interacted with, playing in a different timezone or not fluent in English. I was hoping we could organize into a community and maybe sway other people to give "noobs welcome" a try with this goal in mind.
Maybe there's something I could do to get more noobs to join my lobbies I haven't even thought of and one of you suggests it. Many noobs are under the false impression that joining a game with any veterans in it will be a bad experience, when in fact, it can be quite fun. What could I do to change that perception?
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How about: a game mode where the match is unrated for the single highest rated player on each side but not the others, so they could just concentrate on helping and instructing and not worry too much about their own performance or rating hit.
This would help new players get their rating established and learn the game, could limit it to players below certain number of players / games except for the coaches
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You can already accomplish that by having high rated players be observers in a game.
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@black_wriggler hey that sounds interesting i'll give it a try
Edit: tried it in 1v1 format, was quite fun, if i get a chance i want to try 2v2 as well. we called it Minions & Masters after the tournament -
isn't it a bit broken if masters can see the whole map as observers?
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Phong wasn't using observers, the 'masters' went in as teammates and ctrl+k'd at the start
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Just send them to the streamers.
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can also join the same army (player) with cheat mode alft+f2 and basically see all of the available info
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Shared unit army is also a thing
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One thing, I like to suggest when we have a new player joining us is to play in decapitation. Losing your acu is less stressful and it allows the new player to play his acu instead of leaving it in his base.
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@yojih I downloaded the mod and will give it a try
